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050 — Direktlink
12.08.2009, 03:10 Uhr
LTL2600



why would anybody ever order a crane with shorter boom when you could have it with double the boom, weight is not an issue for you guys in Europe as you can drive with boom on, in front of the crane with the hook block on.... and extra 34t couldnt really be the difference could it?
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051 — Direktlink
12.08.2009, 07:54 Uhr
Kristoffer




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weight is not an issue for you guys in Europe as you can drive with boom on, in front of the crane with the hook block on

Weight is an issue here in Europe (mainland Europe). It is only in the UK, that the LTM1500 can travel with the full 84 meter boom.

The 50 meter or 84 meter boom debate is relevant for each buyer of the LTM1500, but I know that BMS chose the 50 meter boom, since (in their opinion) the required time to add the extra telescopic sections was equal to the required time to add 35 meters of fixed jib. And since they was going to buy the fixed jib anyway, it couldn't justify the extra cost for the 84 meter boom.
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052 — Direktlink
12.08.2009, 08:18 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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Zitat:
LTL2600 postete
why would anybody ever order a crane with shorter boom when you could have it with double the boom, weight is not an issue for you guys in Europe as you can drive with boom on, in front of the crane with the hook block on.... and extra 34t couldnt really be the difference could it?

As Kristoffer pointed out already, weight is an issue in (mainland) Europe. (However, limitations and regulations are a lot less complicated than in North America. )

Weight limitations in Europe - as far as cranes, heavy haulage an the like is concerned - basically come down to the rule "12 metric tons per axle". (Reminder: 12t = 12000kg ~= 26455lb)

However, a Liebherr LTM 1500 with the short 50m boom just barely keeps this limit when it is almost "stripped down": For example the boom guy and the hook block have the removed. (The later also for better visibility for the driver.)

So yes, the extra 34t of the full 84m boom would make a difference, raising the load of each axle to hearty 16.25t (supposing an equal spread of the load on all axles).

This is why even in Europe, the overwhelming majority of LTM1500 operators choose the 50m version since they don't want to mess around with an additional transport for the top boom sections and (dis)assembly of the boom to and on each job site.


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053 — Direktlink
12.08.2009, 09:51 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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That's right. Sweden has the maximum 12t axle load so it can't travel with 84m mounted
We have a very few LTM 1500 in Sweden and currently none of them have 84m. Instead we choose to have a jib on it, since the Nordic Crane unit will mostly erect windmills, also they say the load moment is so bad with 84m . But I agree, it would be really cool with 84m.

One thing though when it would be useful with 84m (in countries that can take more than 12t axle load, of course) is if they are going to erect a 60m high towercrane and they already have the 84m mounted. Then it is faster to already have long boom, without need to have 3 trucks with jib parts following
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054 — Direktlink
12.08.2009, 20:13 Uhr
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Isnt it 16.5 in the Uk or something . 5
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055 — Direktlink
19.08.2009, 19:04 Uhr
Ronald Steenbruggen

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Farbe PIA 6811 wie und wo bekomme ich sie ???

Welcher firmen macht dieser ?????
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056 — Direktlink
19.08.2009, 22:20 Uhr
Simon T.



Kynningsrud steht zur Zeit mit einem Grove GMK ???? und einem Raupenkran auf der Baustelle der neunen Skisprungschanze am Holmenkollen(Oslo)

Bilder sind von meiner Schwester.





Gruß Simon
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057 — Direktlink
20.08.2009, 01:33 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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Zitat:
Ronald Steenbruggen postete
Farbe PIA 6811 wie und wo bekomme ich sie ???

Welcher firmen macht dieser ?????

:P look at all the green cranes in this thread, that's PIA 6811


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Kynningsrud steht zur Zeit mit einem Grove GMK ???? und einem Raupenkran auf der Baustelle der neunen Skisprungschanze am Holmenkollen(Oslo)

Bilder sind von meiner Schwester.

Gruß Simon

It is the CC 2800 in the background, you can find more pictures here:

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058 — Direktlink
20.08.2009, 02:58 Uhr
mirko

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he wants to know where he gets this color, not how it looks
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059 — Direktlink
20.08.2009, 08:00 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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Yes sorry, why do you think almost all have written in english in this thread? That's just because I don't speak german

I don't know where to get the colour, try looking in a model shop
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060 — Direktlink
20.08.2009, 10:27 Uhr
Ronald Steenbruggen

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I know already where I kann buy the paint!!!!!
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061 — Direktlink
20.08.2009, 21:04 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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So I have good news! Tomorrow I will upload the pictures and videos of Havator's LTM 1500 I saw today! I even drove it

Edit: On saturday they will lift with it, and they will fix so I can get to it
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Dieser Post wurde am 20.08.2009 um 21:05 Uhr von AIN_002 editiert.
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062 — Direktlink
21.08.2009, 16:08 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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Yay!

Havator's LTM 1500 8.1 in Gothenburg right now! Pictures are from yesterday, and I also drove the crane! Later I will make one or two videos with all the video clips that I filmed

Tomorrow I will see the crane in action doing some real lifting. They will close a road here in Gothenburg, so more action pics will come on sunday









These will be total 165t counterweight on the crane













No crane without comparing the size with me ;D I'm almost 1,80











Time to change hook








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Dieser Post wurde am 21.08.2009 um 16:34 Uhr von AIN_002 editiert.
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063 — Direktlink
21.08.2009, 20:26 Uhr
Hobby46

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Great pictures, thank you!
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064 — Direktlink
21.08.2009, 23:41 Uhr
ChefvonsGanze

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Yes, really great pics AIN_002! But i´m a bit disappointed, because of the colour of the crane! I really like the blue and yellow! It´s much more interesting than the standard yellow!


With kind regards

Andreas
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065 — Direktlink
22.08.2009, 05:54 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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Well they just haven't bothered re-painting it But yes you are right, the yellow and blue would be awesome
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066 — Direktlink
22.08.2009, 22:05 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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To be continued.....

(Of course I mean I will add more pictures tomorrow, since I don't have time to upload all new pics to Flickr right now )



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067 — Direktlink
23.08.2009, 20:40 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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Yesterday's pictures are here!

Arived to the place at 07.15 in the morning, not a single worker at the place




Time to dismantle the crane for moving it




LTM 1130 has arrived, that's the one that is about to load all the counterweights etc on trailers. I got to borrow gloves, and I was "working for them" with fastening the straps of the things that would be lifted on the trailers As "award", Havator paid my food when we ate in restaurant




Time to fold the legs!




The hook is really big, we almost couldn't get it above the ground!




Now it's time to move the crane.It will stand a bit away from where it was before (in the first pictures). We drove out to the highway, drove a bit and then turned to drive back where it will stay. The cab really had much space and good sight inside, but the road didn't .




Who is this?




Back again. Now it's time to put the gloves on, for loading on the trailers.






Here it is, in the middle of the closed highway!




King of the road




While the work with cutting of the bridge was going on, a beam fell down throguth the bridge, landed with on of the ends on the ground and then came to rest on the cab. The beacon could be pushed back again, but the beam caused some heavy scratches on the edge of the cab's roof. Also if you take a look at the left window, you see they have used tape to fasten a plastic glass-plate, that's because some days ago (in the night) some fu*kers crushed the window and stole the communication radio. D*MN!



LTM 1130 has arrived - reversing!




That one will also have full counterweight




Time to mount the counterweights on the LTM 1500!














Time to prepare the superlift








The CW's are mounted!




The 50m long boom is almost fully extended. All extension are going to be 100% extended




Fully extended!




The orange straps takes 25t each






The lift will soon begin!




The straps are fastened!




Yay! The bridge part is lifted off. You can also see the wires from the superlift to the boomhead is tensed (compare with the picture above)




The best of all pictures!






The bridge weights about 45t












The sidewalk is about to be taken off.






Bye to the cranes and the Havator workers




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068 — Direktlink
24.08.2009, 16:06 Uhr
Gast:Steve12777
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die 4achs Scania auf dem 8. Bild gefällt mir sehr gut
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069 — Direktlink
24.08.2009, 16:32 Uhr
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070 — Direktlink
24.08.2009, 16:38 Uhr
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Hi AIN_002,

Thx for posting some more good pics.
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071 — Direktlink
24.08.2009, 21:55 Uhr
Hobby46

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Irgendwie Klasse der 143er als 4achser!
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072 — Direktlink
25.08.2009, 09:44 Uhr
Kristoffer



If I'm not mistaken, then the Scania is ex-G.A. Schackts Specialtransporter and it used to be a 5 axle truck.
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073 — Direktlink
25.08.2009, 16:53 Uhr
Kristoffer



Where did the lift take place? I cannot really id the place...

EDIT - just found it on Google maps... it's E20 close to the intersection with E6... A real crappy place to drive during rush-hour...
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Dieser Post wurde am 25.08.2009 um 16:56 Uhr von Kristoffer editiert.
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074 — Direktlink
25.08.2009, 16:59 Uhr
A I Nikolis

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The crane was standing on the road, E20 at (as you see in the pic) the trainbridge in Olskroken

And about the truck, yes it was owned by another company before. I got an e-mail some time ago from a Czech guy named Jaroslav Vorechovsky, the e-mail contained three pics of the truck when it was owned by another company in 2006, before Havator bought it


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Dieser Post wurde am 25.08.2009 um 17:06 Uhr von AIN_002 editiert.
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