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050 — Direktlink
28.07.2012, 22:33 Uhr
Hendrik
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Zitat:
graham newell postete Some of the jacking points were altered as well, the front position use to be under the cab, but on the production models they were moved. They ended up between the first and second axles.

Have a look: Both the Bermuda machine and the Hobart machine still has them under the cab.......It seems that only for White, Senn, and Stewart they were moved between the axles.

Best regards, Hendrik
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051 — Direktlink
28.07.2012, 23:21 Uhr
graham newell



Hi Hendrik,
Thats an intresting observation, as both of those machines were the ones designated as port towers.
One of the other intresting notes on the Colossus, is that as far as I know all the machines were slightly different, no two machines were the same.
With only 5 machines built they never got into their stride with options and variables

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Graham
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052 — Direktlink
29.07.2012, 22:43 Uhr
graham newell



Hello Hendrik.
I have just noticed something odd about the intended Sparrows machine that I had not noticed before, all of the pictures of the Sparrows machine are showing it with left hand drive, but when the crane was eventually sold to J.D.White it was right hand drive.
With that in mind I wonder why Sparrows wanted a left hand drive machine, do you think that Sparrows intended the crane to work overseas and not in the UK at all.
Here is yet another picture of the Sparrows machine, as a left hand drive crane ?

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053 — Direktlink
29.07.2012, 23:11 Uhr
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Well spotted Graham...

The only left hand drive crane that really made sense was the Senn machine. All the other cranes including the Bermuda machine and the Tasmania machine should have been right steer......BUT: One of the actual Pakistan machine is left hand drive, too, AND has got the front jacks under the cab and is therefore NOT the ex Senn machine! So there were at least two left hand drives...

cheers, hendrik
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054 — Direktlink
29.07.2012, 23:19 Uhr
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Zitat:
graham newell postete One of the other intresting notes on the Colossus, is that as far as I know all machines were slightly different, no two machines were the same.

The below link from Switzerland indicates that the Senn machine was equipped with two Cummins engines (335 HP/500 HP) and not Rolls Royce:

http://www.kran-info.ch/einsatz.htm ("Hochhaus im Areal des Glatt Zentrums")

Best regards, Hendrik
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055 — Direktlink
29.07.2012, 23:53 Uhr
graham newell



Hi Hendrik.
I have just had a look at the link and you are right,another great find.

I have been studying the photo's of the various machines and noticed that the one in Pakistan that is red and white in colour that is posted in this thread has the same front jacking point as the Bermuda crane. It is not under the cab, but directly behind the cab, but infront of the first axle.
Best regards
Graham

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056 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 00:09 Uhr
graham newell



Hi Hendrik.
I have also noticed that the Senn AG machine and the one that Buz posted in this thread are the same crane as they are the only pictures that show long boxes on the top of the main running beam.
This to me would confirm that the Bermuda crane is the red and white crane in Pakistan, which is left hand drive.
This also means that the two cranes in Pakistan are both left hand drive
Best regards
graham

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057 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 00:47 Uhr
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Zitat:
graham newell postete This to me would confirm that the Bermuda crane is the red and white crane in Pakistan, which is left hand drive.

Hi Graham,

I would totally agree if there wasn't this picture where I think this crane isn't a left hand drive.....if it was you'ld probably spot a steering wheel!? http://www.flickr.com/photos/64938323@N07/6811318347/ Also the guard rail (hand rail) around the upper cab is somehow different from the red and white Pakistani. (Just indications though.....very difficult to tell the truth from 1 or 2 pictures.)

cheers, hendrik
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058 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 01:12 Uhr
graham newell



Hi Hendrik,
Yes I totally agree about the steering wheel. There is also another difference I have just spotted, the outrigger feet on the Bermuda crane are square in shape and the Pakistan crane has round outrigger feet
Best regards
Graham

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059 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 20:44 Uhr
arie



This one stood at Sindorf (Niederlande) in 1996.
Y.O.M. 1973

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060 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 20:47 Uhr
arie



Machine is overhauled. I have no idea where he was going to.

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061 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 20:50 Uhr
arie



A picture in Sindorf's advertisment.

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062 — Direktlink
30.07.2012, 22:45 Uhr
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OMG....what cabin is that???

Here another bunch of nice pictures from our colleagues in far east, especially of the Boom machine:

http://www.cranebbs.com/space/html/50/t-14150.html

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063 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 00:14 Uhr
graham newell



Great pictures Arie, is this the machine that you were offered from Bermuda and now in Pakistan.
Am I right in understanding that Sindorf made a few modifications to the machine.
Many thanks for posting these pictures Arie, I knew Sindorf had one of the beasts, but I have never seen any pictures until now.

One last question if I may Arie, did this machine ever have the extra seventh axle, as it looks as though Sindorf did not have it.?
Kind regards
Graham
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064 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 09:18 Uhr
arie



I don't know the details Graham, because I was there for a visit.
I looks the seventh axle is disappeared.
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065 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 09:23 Uhr
Michael MZ



Guten Morgen Gemeinde,

ich habe mal bei mir ein Foto hochgeladen das ich mal in einem spanischen Forum gefunden habe. Copyright... hmmmm !! :-(

Das ist ein Rechtslenker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53837461@N06/7682590468/in/photostream

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066 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 20:09 Uhr
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Zitat:
Michael MZ postete
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53837461@N06/7682590468/in/photostream

Offensichtlich der Sindorf-Kran....im Dienste von Santana Cazorla auf den kanarischen Inseln. Und man kann wohl mit einiger Wahrscheinlichkeit davon ausgehen, daß es das Bermuda-Gerät ist, was bei Sindorf eine neue Kabine (ohne Scheibenwischer!) erhielt. Oder war der Kran zuerst auf den Kanaren (und hat dort diese schreckliche Kabine gekriegt) und dann Sindorf??

Bermuda -> Sindorf -> Santana Cazorla -> Pakistan, or
Bermuda -> Santana Cazorla -> Sindorf -> Pakistan?

Does anyone have a picture of this crane in Pakistan? This ugly cabin is really characteristic.

gruß hendrik
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067 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 21:46 Uhr
graham newell



Hi Hendrik.
I would say the first option.
Bermuda->Sindorf->Santana Cazorla->Pakistan, From what information has been presented to this amazing thread.
I have been told by a good friend of mine that this machine in Pakistan is not in the best of shapes and by looking at the photo from Santana Cazorla I can understand why
Regards
Graham
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068 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 21:58 Uhr
graham newell



Here is another picture of the official handover of the J.D.White machine

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069 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 22:02 Uhr
graham newell



The Gentleman on the very left of the group is Mr Stan Thompson, Managing Director of J.D.White at the time
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070 — Direktlink
31.07.2012, 22:24 Uhr
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The secretary is really nice

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071 — Direktlink
01.08.2012, 20:01 Uhr
kraandoc




Zitat:
Hendrik postete

Zitat:
Michael MZ postete
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53837461@N06/7682590468/in/photostream

Offensichtlich der Sindorf-Kran....im Dienste von Santana Cazorla auf den kanarischen Inseln. Und man kann wohl mit einiger Wahrscheinlichkeit davon ausgehen, daß es das Bermuda-Gerät ist, was bei Sindorf eine neue Kabine (ohne Scheibenwischer!) erhielt. Oder war der Kran zuerst auf den Kanaren (und hat dort diese schreckliche Kabine gekriegt) und dann Sindorf??

Bermuda -> Sindorf -> Santana Cazorla -> Pakistan, or
Bermuda -> Santana Cazorla -> Sindorf -> Pakistan?

Does anyone have a picture of this crane in Pakistan? This ugly cabin is really characteristic.

gruß hendrik

Herewith some additional more information:

1973: 250 ton Colossus RHD - Manchester Liners-Bermuda > sold after accident to Maats Rental-Goor (NL) > Sindorf Trading-'t Harde (NL) rebuilt 1996 > Santana-Cazorla (E) > ?

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072 — Direktlink
01.08.2012, 20:31 Uhr
kraandoc




Zitat:
Hendrik postete
Well spotted Graham...

The only left hand drive crane that really made sense was the Senn machine. All the other cranes including the Bermuda machine and the Tasmania machine should have been right steer......BUT: One of the actual Pakistan machine is left hand drive, too, AND has got the front jacks under the cab and is therefore NOT the ex Senn machine! So there were at least two left hand drives...

cheers, hendrik

1971: The 170 ton Colossus crane had a special 6 point outrigger configuration with only 2 main outriggers mounted between the 3rd and 4th axle. This first unit was built for Sparrows (GB) and had LHD.

1972: The 200 ton Colossus cranes had an 8 point outrigger configuration with the front outriggers mounted between the first and second axle and 4 main outriggers.
From this version I have so far seen only three:
- J.D. White (GB)
- Hewden-Stuart (GB)
- Senn (CH)

1973: The 250 ton Colossus cranes had the new 8 point outrigger configuration with the front outriggers just behind the lower cabin.
From this version I have sofar seen four:
- Muyammad Aslam (Pakistan)
- Boom (AUS) > Bridge & Marine (AUS)
- Manchester Liners (GB)
- 1976 Port of Hobart (Bermuda)

Hopefully somebody can solve the puzzle.

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073 — Direktlink
01.08.2012, 22:33 Uhr
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Zitat:
kraandoc postete 1971: The 170 ton Colossus crane had a special 6 point outrigger configuration with only 2 main outriggers mounted between the 3rd and 4th axle.

I think I saw this on a picture but really wasn't sure about it....I got confused. Thanks for clarification!

Zitat:
1972: The 200 ton Colossus cranes had an 8 point outrigger configuration with the front outriggers mounted between the first and second axle and 4 main outriggers.
From this version I have so far seen only three:
- J.D. White (GB)
- Hewden-Stuart (GB)
- Senn (CH)

According to what we learned so far, the White machine is the reworked Sparrows machine. Obviously it got a new carrier, and also RHD.


Zitat:
1973: The 250 ton Colossus cranes had the new 8 point outrigger configuration with the front outriggers just behind the lower cabin.
From this version I have sofar seen four:
- Muyammad Aslam (Pakistan)
- Boom (AUS) > Bridge & Marine (AUS)
- Manchester Liners (GB)
- 1976 Port of Hobart (Bermuda)

The Boom machine is the former Port of Hobart (Tasmania) machine, and it is from 1975. The Manchester Liners is the Bermuda machine (as you correctly state one posting before). I assume it was working in the port of Hamilton but so far there isn't any evidence at all.

cheers
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074 — Direktlink
01.08.2012, 23:27 Uhr
Michael MZ



So dann hab ich von dem "Spanier" mal noch ein paar hochgeladen...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53837461@N06/

Gute Nacht und viel Spaß
Michael

P.S.: und wer übersetzt das nun alles hier?? Bing.... ? ;-)
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