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30.05.2004, 18:52 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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Hi!

The Heavy Load FAQ is now also available in English: https://baumaschinen-modelle.net/english/faq/faq.php
(Thanks to Ed and his help with the translation.)

Despite the current discussion about a dictionary section in the German board, is there any topic you'd like to see in the FAQ?


Bye,

Sebastian
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28.07.2004, 18:37 Uhr
Bernard Haste



There are some errors I believe in the translations.
Who do I contact to discuss them?
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28.07.2004, 20:29 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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Zitat:
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There are some errors I believe in the translations.
Who do I contact to discuss them?

It depends on where you've found the error. Large parts were translated by Ed, some parts (especially the newer ones) I translated myself.
So I'd suggest you name the errors just here and I'll tell you, who's responsible for them.


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Sebastian
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29.07.2004, 15:55 Uhr
Ed




Zitat:
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There are some errors I believe in the translations.
Who do I contact to discuss them?

Well if you dont like it feel free to spend a lot of time doing it yourself

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30.07.2004, 11:57 Uhr
Bernard Haste



I don`t wish to offend anyone. I have some details from the 1980`s that are not consistent with the info on the site. My info might be wrong and I wish to etablish if I am wrong. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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30.07.2004, 12:21 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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I have some details from the 1980`s that are not consistent with the info on the site.

So you're worried about errors in the content itself? Well, I'm responsible for the content, but I relied on information that I got from various members of this forum.
So, again, I'd suggest, you name the errors here and we'll discuss what's right and what's wrong.


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30.07.2004, 15:10 Uhr
Bernard Haste



OK

My concerns are as follows.

Sparrows Gottwald MK1000

This machine was sold by Grayston White and Sparrow as soon as they took over Sparrows in 1985. It was bought by an American company (as it is reported) but the contract for which it was bought then fell through so the machine was put back on the market.It was then bought by Scott Greenham who immediately announced it was to be upgraded to MK1200 specification.It was not upgraded by Sparrows.Scott Greenham had the design work done to uprate the machine to the MK1200 standard, but again this work was not done.
In 1987 Grayston White and Sparrow bought Scott Greenham so received the machine back again!
GWS worked the machine hard, but realised they could get even more capacity from the machine, and commissioned another study to see what could be achieved. The result was the MK1500 designation. Again GWS did not have the work done as soon as they had the design work done. In fact the crane did its last job as the MK1000 at the Scunthorpe job where it worked on blast furnaces mounted on high stools to clear various essential services on site. I do not have a date immediately to hand for the actual date of the modification.
This account of the history of the machine was given to me by the lead man on the machine in GWS days within the last two months. It tallies with other data I have from the crane and national press about the machine at the time.

The physical description of the crane should note that it has a five axle dolly not six as noted in the FAQ section. I have photograhs showing this taken at the GWS yard at Thornaby.


Gottwald AK680-1

The machine that is on a ten axle carrier was built in 1980 for Scott cranes not Scott Greenham. That amalgamation came later. It became part of the GWS fleet when Scott Greenham were bought by GWS.GWS was taken over by Initial Rentokil, who sold the heavy crane section to Sarens and the remainder to Ainscough crane hire.The crane was refurbished three years ago according to the present lead man to whom I spoke last week.It was not refurbished as soon as Sarens acquired it.

The other AK680 was supplied to Stanley Davies who traded in part under the Hewden Stuart banner, and it is this livery the crane carried.I would dearly like to know when this machine went to Schmidbauer. Also when it went to
Tecmaco who are a subsidiary of Sarens. So in a sense it has been owned by Sarens for a long time.
It is my understanding this crane collapsed on a job in Maxilift configuration and was sold by the insurance company to Schmidbauer. I was told this recently by one of the ex Directors of Hewden Stuart who was involved at that time. He remembered the circumstances but not the date or the exact rigging of the crane at that job.

Both of these cranes were themselves uprated with heavy duty boom sections. I think this comprised three new 18m main boom sections of 22mm wall thickness rather than the 16mm walls of the original sections.I do not have dates for these alterations. I believe both cranes kept the original 18m sections and used them on jobs where the reinforced ones were not required. These sections are identified by plates with the numbers cut out in a series of holes. You can see the principle in the lovely drawings by Markus Brenner of the AK850.

I also have been told by Hewden Stuart staff recently that they did a job with their crane using 113m of luffer. The maximum normal rig was 95m so this would have required an additional section. The Director referred to above tells me that if this were true, and he does not remember, Hewden Stuart would have purchased the additional section and it would have gone with the crane to Schmidbauer. I have a spec. brochure for Schmidbauer dated 1988 where the crane is listed, but only with a maximum 95m of luffer. Of course this does not prove that they did not have the extra part. No one with whom I have spoken at Sarens can tell me if the crane now has 113m of luffer or not.
Has anyone contacts at Sarens in Woltertem and can ask?

Again I am sorry if I offended anyone. I was already crane watching big cranes from 1981 and have much information of my own from that time as well as more recently acquired information. I still arrange to see big cranes (over500t) when I can and am hoping to see the AK680 again next week, as well as collecting further information of the ex Hewden Stuart machine.

If anyone can show that I am wrong in my account I will be pleased to know, as I am keen to get to the actual facts not opinions of the big cranes owned by companies operating in the UK.
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02.08.2004, 15:32 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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Hello Bernhard!

Thanks for the information. As far as I can tell, it seems to be sound stuff.
But I'm afraid it'll be at least as late as next weekend until I'll be able to put all this (or at least part of it) into the FAQ.

Bye,

Sebastian

PS: I didn't feel offended at any time.
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02.08.2004, 16:36 Uhr
Ed




Zitat:
Sebastian Suchanek postete
Hello Bernhard!

Thanks for the information. As far as I can tell, it seems to be sound stuff.
But I'm afraid it'll be at least as late as next weekend until I'll be able to put all this (or at least part of it) into the FAQ.

Bye,

Sebastian

PS: I didn't feel offended at any time.

Me neither

Ed
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08.08.2004, 12:25 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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Hello Bernard!

I'm currently working on the FAQ and stumbled over this:


Zitat:
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GWS was taken over by Initial Rentokil, who sold the heavy crane section to Sarens and the remainder to Ainscough crane hire.

Is this the same company as this one?
http://www.rentokil-initial.com


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Sebastian
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08.08.2004, 14:23 Uhr
Ed




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Hello Bernard!

Is this the same company as this one?
http://www.rentokil-initial.com


Bye,

Sebastian

Yes,they sold off the crane hire section,but continue with the other services mentioned on the site

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08.08.2004, 15:35 Uhr
Sebastian Suchanek
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Hello!

Now the work is done, I've just uploaded the updated FAQ.

@Bernhard: Please have a look at it see if I got everything right.


Bye,

Sebastian
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09.08.2004, 18:20 Uhr
Bernard Haste



Sebastian,

Hewden Stuart AK680

Just one thing, the Hewden Stuart photograph I obtained last week proves a luffer of 107m (351 ft) was used not 113m. This is 12 m (39.37 ft) longer than the official specification of 95 m (311 ft). There was confusion as the men at HS told me 113m, but counting the sections on the photo only shows 107m of bits.


Otherwise fine.

I still hope to get more detail on the history of this crane and the MK1000/1200/1500 in the next few weeks.

Bernard
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